Cops hate me.

[TurboMike]

I'm frazzled at work. Had to ditch a cop and luckily he didnt find me.

Check this out:
Theres 2 or 3 towns inbetween where I live and work. I'm in the Miata at a light, in Dumont, light turns green. I'm still in second gear and I see someone crossing the street up ahead, so I let off the gas and leave it in 2nd gear to slow down a little. I look and its a cop, and he's in a crosswalk. I'm still like 50-100 feet away and the cop looks up at me, and starts taking baby steps, like walking slower so I dont touch the gas and slow down even more. Now I'm doing like 15mph (its a 25mph side street). The cop comes to a full stop, he's now standing on the edge of the road like where a parked car would be (but theres no parked cars) and faces me and just stared at me like with crazy eyes. I turn the wheel a little to the left so I dont pass by him too close, and like cruise by him doing 15mph. I wouldnt have hit him if I stayed straight, but I didnt wana get that close to him. If he would have never slowed down his walking (or come to a stop staring at me like a jerkoff) he would have easily been on the curb before I passed him and I wouldnt have even had to slow down. He turns and stays facing me as I drive by with this crazy look on his face.

So I go by him, annoyed that this cop is staring at me like I'm some kind of criminal and making me feel like a dick when I look in the rear view mirror and see the cop RUNNING across the street and jumping into his cruiser. Hm. He probably just got a call on his radio or something. Could the cop be THAT much of a dick that he's gona run to his cruiser and pull me over? Fuck it, I'm turning. So I turn right down the first sidestreet I come to and then make a left so I'm parallel to the main road I was on, now on a residential road. My radar detector picks up a lot of radar, and I figure thats him. I go down 3 blocks and hit a T which is also a no right turn on school days. Now I figure if this cop is looking for me and sees me make an illegal turn I'm really fucked, so I uturn in someone's driveway and head back to go down another sidestreet. My radar gets loud again and there happens to be a cemetary between me and the main road I was on, I look over and see the cop flying like 60mph (in the 25mph) going the same way I'm going. Uh-oh, he is looking for me. I guess he went down that road long enough to realize I wasnt on it anymore, so now he's coming back. Dammit. So I get to a stop sign, and make a left away from the main road. Looking in my rearview I see the cop make a right on the same road so we're heading away from each other. All he has to do is look in his rearview and he'll see me. Uh-oh. So I turn off down the first street I see and make my way to work on residential sidestreets only.

So now this stupid cop who got so pissed of no reason is gona bust my ass next time he sees my Miata, and for nothing. What a fucking idiot. But now I'm screwed I might have to go a couple of miles around that town to get to and from work for the next few weeks or maybe even a month.

How come the cops always fuck with me when I'm doing NOTHING. I'm not even in the Talon, just my bone stock Miata. If he didnt slow down on purpose to fuck with me there would have been nothing, I wasnt even speeding.

Cops never screw with me in my obnoxious Talon, but always when I'm in my boring little Miata do they try and fuck with me. Sigh.

[Greg97GSX]

I just hope for your sake that he didn't get your plate number.

[steveVR4]

+1 If those crazy eyes were taking in your plate, you might not be safe yet. Sounds like a real fucking psychopath.

[VR4NNJ91]

You'll be ok man.

[rotorocker]

gotta love corruption...

[iboostdoyou]

ah yes, finally... it was inevitable... the infamous corruption line, I was waiting for it.

[rotorocker]

haha I have had my fair share of assholes too. most recent was spring break getting a 6 pointer in Virginia. Cops can kiss my fucking ass as far as I am concerned. Where I live, they have nothing better to do. Don't get my wrong, I dont wanna stereotype but around here, they really arnt needed for murder,etc so essentially useless

[BigT]

ah yes, finally... it was inevitable... the infamous corruption line, I was waiting for it.

dont even start, kylie. I have lots of buddies who are cops and one of my professors is a cop in wayne and they all said they like to fuck with people.

[iboostdoyou]

To me corruption is taking bribes and stealing evidence and stuff, not chasing down a young guy in a convertible for no reason. Their job is to prevent and punish crime. Although by the book following after him wasnt the perfect thing to do, it certainly isnt illegal to do such. Just because a cop does something you dont like, doesnt make it corruption

[VR4NNJ91]

Yep

[gvr4737]

theirs no point of fighting with kyle... he is in love with law enforcement..

i just dont listen to his rude comments of how the innocent people are guilty.. yet i use kyles knowledge to get me info and build a strong case to fight back using brains , not being a criminal

all in all.. kyle doesnt mean to be a doosh ... he just takes things from a different perspective.. lol

[iboostdoyou]

haha yea nothing I say is personal, it just bothers me when people use the wrong terminology. What that cop was intending to do maybe wasnt what you would want him to do, but that is the furthest thing from corruption, which is why I originally posted... someone said that because the cop got in his car and went after MIke, it was corruption, thats such a joke its rediculous. There was a thread before about getting a speeding ticket and I posted defending the cops because a bunch of people on here were saying that one cop with a radar gun and another down the road pulling you over is illegal because it is a "speed trap". I made sure they understood that it is in fact legal so they could stop spreading rumors about cops illegally giving them tickets. I know cops are fucked up, and the whole system is ass backwards, I understand that.

In this particular incident I'm sure the cop felt that Mike didnt slow down enough when he was crossing the street or something, even if he really didnt do anything wrong. But that is judgement on his part. We obviously dont know the exact happenings of the situation, but thats what it seems like to me.

When cops pull you over and ask you a million random questions that relate nothing to why he pulled you over, he is doing the first step of the field sobriety test. I've had a Morristown cop pull me over one night, come right up the car, didnt ask for license, registration nothing... just came to the window and said "what time is it?", when I responded, he followed with "where are you going?", mid response he asked me what color my car was.... They dont do this to fuck with you, they do it to see how nervous you get (something in the car that isnt supposed to be), if your slurring/incoherent from being drunk, red eyes from smoking weed etc.. Most of the time they will let you go if you answer the questions properly and it seems like your sober with no dead bodies in the trunk. They will run the plates to see if they are stolen, check for outstanding warrants, and your on your way.

I do not necessarily defend cops 100% of the time since they never are right all the time. I'm not going to be a cop, I just study and know the law, and find it necessary to inform people that bash cops that they may not have a valid excuse other than anger from being singled out. I've been on both sides of that badge, and I actually sympathize more with the drivers of this country rather than the officers because of the car I drive and how many times I've been pulled over, but most of the time what the officers do is legal and common practice, whether the drivers like it or not.

[rotorocker]

ok then to be politcally correct, abuse of power. every other day there are cops that just turn their sirens and lights on just to go through a red light and then turn them off once they are through. And I know for a fact they arnt responding to a call.

[twizzle]

lol, corruption defines as a lack of integrity or honesty. Corruption IS when a cop gives you a ticket for nothing, or uses his "judgement" (lies), to fuck you over.

Corruption is also defined as: "characterized by improper and usually unlawful conduct intended to secure a benefit for oneself or another"
So theoretically, if a cop gives you a ticket for nothing, to meet his quota (which would be to his benefit), then that is also an example of corruption, correct?

[iboostdoyou]

Fine, you guys win, all cops are fuckin "corrupt" assholes that are just out to make a million dollars by meeting their quota. They obviously dont give a shit about the community and drive around simply to piss off kids all day.... yup thats it...

You say abuse of power, I say they are fuckin doing their job keeping you all safe. Whether you have to pay $100 for putting your exhaust on the car or not, they are doing what they are told to do and what the laws say. Go ahead and bash them, I'm tired of trying to convince you rebels that cops arent blood sucking criminals. Your views are obviously too skewed to know otherwise, but hey, thats your choice

[iboostdoyou]

lol, corruption defines as a lack of integrity or honesty. Corruption IS when a cop gives you a ticket for nothing, or uses his "judgement" (lies), to fuck you over.

Corruption is also defined as: "characterized by improper and usually unlawful conduct intended to secure a benefit for oneself or another"
So theoretically, if a cop gives you a ticket for nothing, to meet his quota (which would be to his benefit), then that is also an example of corruption, correct?

and Joe you left out the rest of the definition, when it states integrity or honesty, the next line happens to mention

lack of integrity or honesty(especially susceptibility to bribery); use of a position of trust for dishonest gain
as well as: inducement (as of a public official) by improper means (as bribery) to violate duty (as by commiting a felony)

Is that not exactly what I said the definition was?

And Mark, what was one of the VERY FIRST things I said to you when you explained the situation of the exhaust ticket?!?! It was something to the effect of "that's illegal, go fight it and get it dropped". I did not defend the cop in any way or make any type of excuses for his "corruption". Whether the cop gave you ticket intentionally, or he just did not know the steps needed to issue the ticket, what he did wasnt by the books and I called it.

[TurboMike]

Luckily I keep my cars and bikes registered in NY. I initially did it to keep my insurance so a new NJ ins co wouldnt find out about a NJ ticket I had. But now I found out NY no longer accepts points from NJ tickets. So I'm keeping all my stuff NY.

So even if this guy got my plate, it was NY.

Even if I did have NJ plates, he never ordered me to stop so I never disobeyed him. I made damn sure I wasnt going over the speed limit when I made some turns, just so he couldnt try that "you were evading" bullshit. So I'd be fine if he tried that "have a cop waiting at your house" crap. ...I think.

[MikeL]

still his word against your's...

[iboostdoyou]

Yea but who knows... you might have just met a description of someone they were looking for or something stupid like that, which might explain why he was staring you down so badly. I really wouldnt worry about it too much

[TuRBoTaLooN95]

I have to agree with Kyle to an extent here. I know we've all had our bad experiences with cops that pull us over for no reason, because I know I've had mine. I've had a cop pull me over when I was 17 because I was young and driving a red camaro. He said he pulled me over because I was doing 2mph over the limit in Mt. Lakes and let me off with a warning. Later, I get pulled over with my lifted truck because the cop wanted to check the to see that the height of my bumpers matched the inspection sticker. This doesn't mean that all cops are assholes. In every profession you will get the people who genuinly want to do their job, and the guys who just want to fuck with people because they can. Say you go take your car to a shop and they tell you that all this stuff needs to be replaced and it's going to cost $XXX and all you needed was an oil change. Does this mean all shops will try to rip you off? no. I know cops CAN be dicks, and it sucks, but like Kyle said, their job is to protect us, even if these situations happen every once in a while.

[TurboMike]

"his word against yours"

Uh, thats a cop. He can say he saw me pull my pants down and jerk it and arrest me. You think I wouldnt get arrested?

On my way to work I was going down a backroad and there was a Dumont cop parked in a small parking lot probably reading the paper. Was SO glad I took the Talon to work today. Put it in neutral and cruised right by.

[AWD 4TW]

"his word against yours"

Uh, thats a cop. He can say he saw me pull my pants down and jerk it and arrest me. You think I wouldnt get arrested?

On my way to work I was going down a backroad and there was a Dumont cop parked in a small parking lot probably reading the paper. Was SO glad I took the Talon to work today. Put it in neutral and cruised right by.

Technically having you car in neutral is illegal because if something happens and you have to accelerate away you cannout just stomp it. Same thing at red lights, technically you have to have the car in gear incase you need to pull away. Im pretty sure on that one but i could just be pullin this shit outta my ass.

[iboostdoyou]

Technically having you car in neutral is illegal because if something happens and you have to accelerate away you cannout just stomp it. Same thing at red lights, technically you have to have the car in gear incase you need to pull away. Im pretty sure on that one but i could just be pullin this shit outta my ass.

yea that came right outta your ass.

And most cop cars are equipped with camera's on the dash these days. I know your little anectdote was just an example, but since I'm the devils advocate/martyr for cops these days, I figured I would point out your chances of getting hit with a charge you didnt do is slim. The court will throw the little red 'challange flag' and the tape will show you didnt take off the cop's hat, shit in it, and plop it back on his head. You'll still have to go to court though :cry:

[helite99]

Technically having you car in neutral is illegal because if something happens and you have to accelerate away you cannout just stomp it. Same thing at red lights, technically you have to have the car in gear incase you need to pull away. Im pretty sure on that one but i could just be pullin this shit outta my ass.

out the ass... you are supposed to leave it in neutral incase any part of the clutch system fucks up u can take off with out trying... for example in gear and lets say you blew a line and the slave retracts due to no pressure in the line... ur in gear ur gunna jump foward

[AWD 4TW]

Like i said outta my ass, sometimes a golden nugget does come out hah.

[Monger]

Mike, I had the same thing happen to me....technically you're supposed to STOP for pedestrians in certain crosswalks. In my case the cop actually stopped in the middle of the road in front of me to make sure I did. he smirked and waved me off. maybe the guy that was eyeballin you was in a worse mood. I hated cops for years, but as you get older you learn not to put yourself in situations that would give you away to a cop. 2 good friends of mine recently became cops, and they'll be the first to tell you that there are alot of douchebag cops out there. However, I know if I was a cop I would pull over every damn loud, ricey, punk ass car I saw because 90% of the time you are doing something wrong. I got 40 points on my license before I learned my lesson. been driving a GVR4 and a wrangler for maybe 4 or 5 years and I've been pulled over twice....both times netted no points for me, but both times they had bullshit reasons to pull me over. nothing anyone can do about that, so take your lumps as they come. this isn't directed toward you Mike, by the way....its geared toward the younguns :lol:

[TurboMike]

I've known plenty of cops who are totally cool to hang out with, but complete assholes on the job to people they dont know. I've even dated a Westchester Sheriff for a while (yes, it was a chick) who was totally cool but was telling me stories about people asking for directions or something and "had a real attitude about it, so we wrote them a ticket for XXX". "People are stupid, and anyone who's stupid is going to get punished with a ticket" "What if they didnt do anything wrong?" "Trust me, I can find a reason to ticket a 60 year old guy in a Mercedes driving his wife to breakfast if I needed to, theres all kinds of tickets I can write". Then she tells me about driving 100mph always for no reason and practically tapping people off the road "who wont get out of the way". Now if you met this chick she was totally normal and meek and shy.... outside of her uniform.

I look at it like this: in every job you wind up hating your superiors or customers for being annoying but you cant talk back or anything because thats your boss or customers who can get you in trouble, so you suck it up and eat it and are polite. Now imagine you're God and can tell every single customer or anyone you want to suck it because they annoy you in the slighest way. Thats the power that cops have. They're completely untouchable. Yes NYC has the civilian complaint review board and you can complain to brass but guess what 99.9999% of the bullshit cops do dont get reported to anyone so if you go that route you waste your time. I know because I've tried in the past and it was a total runaround just to make you feel like you can do something about being wronged by a cop.

Anyway, its not illegal to cruise by in neutral. Theres no way to prove I was in neutral anyway. You're probably thinking of the laws (in NY anyway, dunno about NJ) where its illegal to sit at a light in 1st gear (because if you get tapped from behind and your foot comes off the clutch you go flying through an intersection) and the law where its illegal to turn your wheel while waiting to make a left at an intersection (if you get hit from behind you go flying into oncoming traffic).

As for police car cameras, cops know about them and can easily take you to the back of the car and do whatever they want. The camera faces right in front of the car, anything to the side or rear of the car doesnt show up and the sound is terrible. Those cameras are there to protect the cops and are controlled by the station houses. Anything on them that would be against a cop wont show up. It takes a court order to even get the data.

It sounds like I hate cops, but I have a lot of respect for the hard job they do. Its just annoying that most of them dont know how to deal with the public because of the God complex they get. I'm sure there are plenty of cops who are totally cool to their friends and family and people they know and then just totally wrong people who dont deserve it because they make a poor assumption or are having a bad day. I know I'd totally be just like that too if I became a cop, its just the way it is. It just sucks to be part of a group (modified sports car driver) that they target as someone who deserves punishment even when there isnt one.

[VR4NNJ91]

this shit outta my ass.

yea that came right outta your ass.

And most cop cars are equipped with camera's on the dash these days. I know your little anectdote was just an example, but since I'm the devils advocate/martyr for cops these days, I figured I would point out your chances of getting hit with a charge you didnt do is slim. The court will throw the little red 'challange flag' and the tape will show you didnt take off the cop's hat, shit in it, and plop it back on his head. You'll still have to go to court though :cry:

Kyle a few quick questions about the camera. I've always wondered is the patrol camera on at all times? or Do they come on automatically when the lights and sirens are ativated? Or are they only allowed to use the camera after pulling someone over? Oh and two more (sorry) 1) Is is true the patrol cars (mostly state police I belive) have a built in listening device that they can use to hear the occupants of the vehicle conversation after they are pulled over prior to the officer getting out of his vehicle? 2) The microphone walkie talky thingy that they wear is it ture that they are recording the conversation between the officer and the driver of the vehicle at all times and that the mail police station has someone listing & recording this conversation at all times or is it that the officer has the option of turning his microphone walkie talky device as he please and is not required to have it on during the whole stop?

[iboostdoyou]

Kyle a few quick questions about the camera. I've always wondered is the patrol camera on at all times? or Do they come on automatically when the lights and sirens are ativated? Or are they only allowed to use the camera after pulling someone over? Oh and two more (sorry) 1) Is is true the patrol cars (mostly state police I belive) have a built in listening device that they can use to hear the occupants of the vehicle conversation after they are pulled over prior to the officer getting out of his vehicle? 2) The microphone walkie talky thingy that they wear is it ture that they are recording the conversation between the officer and the driver of the vehicle at all times and that the mail police station has someone listing & recording this conversation at all times or is it that the officer has the option of turning his microphone walkie talky device as he please and is not required to have it on during the whole stop?

Honestly Joe I am not positive on those questions, but I'll answer them to the best of my knowledge. I am 75% sure that the dash camera only turns on when the lights go on, but it can be switched on manually also. The listening devices to my knowledge do not exist. You can record conversation to an extent because all transmissions made through the walkie talkie are recorded by the dispatcher, so in theory you could just record the conversations that way, but I doubt many cops ever use that technique. The camera does include a microphone outside of the car to pick up sound to go with the video images, but its not clear or strong enough to pick up talking inside of a vehicle.

[TurboMike]

Some states its always on, some states only with sirens, some states records the entire shift, some states only records the last hour and constantly overwrites the data until the cop pushed something that saves the last hour to a removable data thing.

In other words, theres lots of different setups and procedures for each state.

[puremx69]

I was given a ticket a couple years ago for careless driving by a cop from the same town in question who improperly set up a road block / detour and was not doing his job manning the barricade, but instead hanging out with the construction workers. Someone else drove the same path I did and was given a ticket as well for the same reason, after which point he ordered another officer to move his car to the barricade so it would be set up properly as per protocol. I wore my volunteer police officer uniform to court, everyone there was very nice to me, and then the Prosecutor called in the officer who ticketed me to discuss the ticket and he walks in, says this guy has prior points and I'm not gonna give him a break, and he walks out. The prior points were from a speeding ticket I got a year or more before that when I had first started driving and was completely irrelevant to the situation. After the officer walks out the Prosecutor says so much for professional courtesy, but [he'll] cut [me] a deal and so I get a driving in an unsafe manner (no points). This guy was such a douche and it is pretty much how most of the officers in that town operate, regardless of who they are acting toward. My advice: if you usually take Madison, take Milford, or vice versa. I don't know what town you're coming from but also consider driving through Bergenfield or Haworth. These guys will forget about it in a couple of weeks so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[TurboMike]

So I'm driving to work today (in the Talon) and go down that same block. Thats not even a crosswalk, its two lines from the firehouse to mark their no parking zone. I still wish I knew what was in that cop's head.... and still glad I havent found out.

[twizzle]

heh, i dont think i can ever trust a cop or judge again. after hearing the things the racist judge in riverdale said yesterday at court, i dont think i can respect any of them anymore. (referring a few illegal aliens on trial, to terrorists bombing the twin towers, making fun of the spanish guys cause they didnt know english, all in public court. judge paparazzo)

[VR4NNJ91]

heh, after hearing the things the racist judge in riverdale said yesterday at court, i dont think i can respect any of them anymore. (referring a few illegal aliens on trial, to terrorists bombing the twin towers, making fun of the spanish guys cause they didnt know english, all in public court. judge paparazzo)

[twizzle]

lol? i wish any of that advice actually worked, cause i know for sure it doesn't.

there are some really true statements in that site however:

"The police depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want. Don't let them get away with more than they are allowed to because of fear. "

"Cops are perhaps the most dangerous members of our society, so be careful when you talk to them."